Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby Rammbock on Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:13 pm

I also discovered today that I am missing some arms. I will make a list of which ones it is I am missing.
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby JoeR on Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:36 pm

Some works in progress:

UM SdKfz 13
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3157/umsdkfz139.jpg

MMS Flakvierling
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6892/mmsflakvierling.jpg

Frankenpanzerjaeger - mod of the pak crewman holding the hafthohladung:
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/659/panzerjaegermod.jpg
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby Olivier on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:24 pm

cool ! someone alive in here ;)

nice start indeed. Question how do you cut the "bean base" from the fig? laser sharp knofe, dremel?

I'm rather interrested.. once glued to its new base, your figure keeps steady or is it prone to "fall"?
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby artwho9 on Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:57 pm

A quick update to let you know I haven't forgoten you guys, I have been in touch with sgts mess & these figures should be ready to go into production from the start of december so i will soon be able to sort out your figures, sorry for any delay
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby JoeR on Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:51 pm

Olivier wrote:cool ! someone alive in here ;)

nice start indeed. Question how do you cut the "bean base" from the fig? laser sharp knofe, dremel?

I'm rather interrested.. once glued to its new base, your figure keeps steady or is it prone to "fall"?


Olivier,

Sorry I haven't answered more promptly. I simply cut the bean base with a pliers - the metal is relatively soft. For figures without a base, I drill a hole in the sole of the foot and insert a piece of wire bent at a right angle. I carefully superglue the feet of the figure to a fender washer, then slather the base with a hard putty, like brown stuff or plumber's putty. This keeps the figs pretty stable.

I'll take some photos next time I mount such a figure.

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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby Olivier on Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:36 pm

Thanks Joe,

waiting for that
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby artwho9 on Wed Feb 10, 2010 7:24 pm

After much delay im happy to announce that the kharkov sets are now available from sgts mess

I can start to sort out the missing figs ect for those of you involved in the group build

Thanks for your patience

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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby Rammbock on Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:03 pm

As an aid for identifying figure poses with their individual figure number.

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1-15-5-4-6-20

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3-14-10-2-8-9

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11-18-19-17-12

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7-16-13

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43-40-23-21

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24-25-26-27

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41-34-35-29-36-31

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33-37-39-32-30-28

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46-38-54-47-48-55

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57-22-44-50-45

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42-53-56-52-51ab-49


1. SS Grenadier with Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal
Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Slight crouch at waist, left leg slightly bent and forward of
right leg, left arm nearly fully extended, rifle butt in crook of
right arm, rifle cuts diagonally towards left foot, soldier facing
left.

2. SS Grenadier with Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal
Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Slight crouch in legs, right leg forward of left, rifle held
almost parallel to ground and high up chest and pointing left,
looking right.

3. SS Grenadier with Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal
Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Down on right knee, left leg bent forward, no twist in waist,
back upright, left hand holding rifle at barrel end, rifle on low
diagonal to rear, right arm nearly upright, throwing stick grenade.

4. SS Grenadier with Kar98 Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-
metal Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Standing upright, firing rifle.

5. SS Grenadier Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet,
Full-Webbing
Pose: Standing upright, rifle at abdomen level, pointing forward,
parallel to ground, soldier facing forward with rifle.

6. SS Grenadier Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet,
Full-Webbing, belt of MG42 ammo around neck.
Pose: Down on right knee, left leg bent forward, no twist in waist,
back upright, firing rifle forward.

7. SS Grenadier MG42, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet,
Full-Webbing, MG tool box, pistol holster
Pose: Down on right knee, left leg bent forward, no twist in waist,
back bent forward, cradling MG42, left elbow on left thigh, soldier
facing forward, bipod open in V at end of MG42, belt of ammo draped
from receiver.

8. SS Grenadier Kar98, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet,
Full-Webbing, belt of MG42 ammo around neck, spare barrel case and
rifle strapped diagonally across back
Pose: Down on left knee, right leg bent forward, no twist in waist,
back bent forward, chest nearly touching right thigh, ammo belt cans
in both hands resting on ground on either side of right foot.

9. SS NCO with Ppsh41 w/drum magazine, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque,
Bare-metal Helmet, waist belt only, Ppsh41 pouch, map case.
Pose: Standing Upright, firing Ppsh41 from mid to upper chest, left
hand holds drum steady.

10. SS Grenadier with MP40, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal
Helmet, waist belt only, MP40 pouch on left side, binoculars around
neck and dangling at chest.
Pose: Down on left knee, right leg bent forward, no twist in waist,
back bent forward, chest nearly touching right thigh, left arm and
hand pointing forward and parallel with ground, right hand grasping
MP40.

11. 11. SS Grenadier with MG42, Anorak, Hood-down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet, Full-Webbing, mg belt draped downward.
Pose: Firing MG42, (with folded legs) from Sdkfz 250/251. Would like it to fit a Dragon 1/72 251, (only possible if a dragon sdkfz 251 is sent to tony).

12. SS Grenadier MP40, Bare-metal Helmet, Snow pants, Tunic, SS eagle and cuff band visible on left arm, shearling vest over tunic,
waist belt with two stick grenades in front, 1 MP40 magazine pouch, bayonet, and water flask.
Pose: Standing Upright, firing MP40 from shoulder, stock extended
and resting against right shoulder.

13. SS Major Meyer, wearing crusher cap & panzer combi, standing and waving troops forward with left hand, right hand holding MP40

14. SS Grenadier with this uniform ('Kharkov' parka, cold weather trousers and boots, torque)- belt and Y-straps, bread bag, water
bottle, marmite tin and shovel. MP40 pouches on both sides. MP40 slung around the neck and worn across the chest (
http://www.grantsmilitaria.com/gall/pix/images/24.jpg ). Right arm bent holding cigarette somewhere around chest level or lower (in fact, position of right arm in second picture would do it). Left arm straight by side with bandaged/injured hand.

15. SS Grenadier, SS parka, looking round corner to left priming a
stick grenade

16. SS NCO kneeling with Hafthohlladung. Winter parka, bare headed (wavy hair cut in classic forties haircut), kneeling on left knee with 08 pistol in right hand on knee, looking to the left. Reversible winter trousers. Left hand knuckles supporting him on the ground while simultaneously holding Hafthohlladung. Hunkered down a bit. Parka opened up a bit to ventilate. Felt boots. Stielhandgranate sticking out of his left lower parka pocket. Belt and y-strap, one MP40 pouch, map case, Luger holster, breadbag and waterbottle.

17. SS MG42 gunner, prone, right hand pulling cocking handle. Ammo belt half spent, hanging on both sides of machinegun. Winter parka, hood down, steel helmet, toque. Ammunition belt around neck. Felt boots. Reversible winter trousers. Belt with P38 holster at left side, MG tool box on his right side. No base. Maximum length of figure, bipod to feet, 35 mm.

18. SS Assistant, squatting, torso hunkered down almost in horizontal position. Stretching right arm for ammo and supporting himself with left hand on ground. Finger mittens. Belt. Kar98 ammo pouches, bayonet. Parka with snow suit jacket, hood down, steel helmet. Cigarette in corner of mouth. Felt boots. Reversible winter trousers.

19. SS Grenadier, on his knees, torso slightly twisted to his right. Hands cupped around his mouth, yelling. Thumb mittens attached to and dangling from wrists. Belt. Kar98 ammo pouches, bayonet. Parka, steel helmet. Hood down, toque around neck. Reversible winter trousers. Trousers worn outside of boots. K98k rifle slung across back. Felt boots.

20. SS Officer standing with binoculars. Parka, hood down. Leaning towards his right, left heel lifted up. Head leaned back as if trying to spot something far away. Leather gloves. Reversible winter trousers. His pose resembling an upside down tilted V. Side cap. Holding binoculars at chest level. Belt with P38 holster.

21. SS Pak 38/40 gunner/aimer, squatting, aiming gun. Parka, steel helmet and toque. Hood down. Snow suit trousers. Felt boots, finger mittens. Belt with P38 holster.

22. SS FlaK 38 gunner. Parka with snow suit jacket over. Hoods up, toque wrapped around head and side cap. Snow suit trousers. Felt boots. Thumb gloves. Belt with Kar98 pouches. Sitting like the AB Figures gunner, but more upright as if the gun is engaging a ground target.

23. SS NCO with MP40 at the ready, shouting. Winter parka and reversible winter trousers. Hood down. Finger mittens. Helmet with chinstrap around chin. No toque, tunic collars visible. Filled parka pockets. Felt boots. Belt with two MP40 ammunition pouches. Two stick hand grenades tucked in belt. Holding MP40 like in the picture, finger outside of trigger guard.

24. SS Grenadier tank rider/251 passenger, Kar98, Anorak, Hood- down, M38 cap & Toque, Full-Webbing Pose: Sitting, back upright, knees and feet together, flat bottom and flat calves form sharp angle <90 degrees, left hand resting on left thigh/lap, separately-cast right arm bent at elbow, close to body, cradling Kar98 in upward angle against body. Soldier facing forward.

25. SS Grenadier tank rider/251 passenger, MP40, Anorak, Hood-down,
Toque, Bare-metal Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Sitting, back upright, feet together, knees spread apart,
flat bottom and flat calves form sharp angle <90 degrees, left
thigh sitting on left hand, left arm straight and next to side,
cradling MP40 in lap. Soldier facing slightly to the right.

26. SS Grenadier tank rider/251 passenger, Kar98, Anorak, Hood-
down, Toque, Bare-metal Helmet, Full-Webbing
Pose: Sitting, back slouched slightly, right leg extended straight
from body with slight bend in knee, left leg tucked under body
slightly, flat bottom and flat left calf form sharp angle <90
degrees, left hand resting on left thigh, left arm close to body,
separately-cast right arm holds Kar98 upright between legs, butt
resting on surface, facing slightly to the left.

27. SS Grenadier tank rider/251 passenger, Kar98, Anorak, Hood-
down, M38 cap Toque, Full-Webbing
Pose: Sitting, back bent forward, knees and feet apart slightly,
flat bottom and flat calves form sharp angle <90 degrees, left
forearm/elbow rests on left thigh, left hand dangles between legs,
separately-cast right arm holds Kar98 across lap. Soldier facing
fully to the left.

28. Red Army Officer standing straight wearing peak Cap wearing
Greatcoat with raised collar. Map case, binoculars hung on the
chest, ammo pouches, holding PPsh41 in right hand, pointing with
left hand and regular webbing with revolver case.

29. Red Army Sergeant kneeling, wearing pilotka & Greatcoat, holding
PPsH41 by pistol grip and loading weapon.

30. Red Army DP-LMG gunner walking & wearing Great coat, helmet,
walking, revolver case on belt and gas mask case.

31. Red Army Soldier standing and firing MN rifle, wearing great
coat & furhat, gas mask haversack and spade. Scarf wrapped around
lower face.

32. Red Army Soldier walking, holding MN rifle 'upright', wearing
greatcoat &helmet, advancing, gas mask bag and blanket roll around
back.

33. Red Army Soldier standing and body slightly turned, grabbing a
grenade from grenade pouch, wearing greatcoat, (collar up) & helmet,
holding his MN rifle in the left hand.

34. Red Army Soldier, left foot on rubble, firing PPsh41 SMG,
wearing greatcoat, (collar up) & helmet, gas mask haversack and
small bag on back.

35. Red Army Soldier standing, slightly crouched, reaching with left
hand into his MN ammo pouch, wearing great coat & fur hat, spade and
gas mask haversack.

36. Red Army Soldier advancing, slightly crouched, carrying MN rifle
like a hunter, wearing a great coat & fur hat, spade and gas mask
haversack worn.

37. Red Army Soldier running with MN rifle carried at the ready,
wearing greatcoat & helmet, blanket rolled around body worn with gas
mask haversack.

38. Very fat Red Army general wearing officer's peak cap, longcoat with raised collar, Belt and cross-belt. Map case, revolver "case". Binoculars around the neck" gestering hand while holding a cigarette.

39. Rat faced "Skinny" Red Army officer - officer's peak cap, 3/4 leather tankers jacket, belt, map case and holster Officer's breeches, he is reloading his Nagant revolver.

40. Marder crewman with 75mm projectile, winter combi, fleece cap with ear flaps down, no belt, felt boots. Pose: Standing upright, legs slightly apart, no bend in waist, cradling 75mm projectile against chest/abdomen. Left hand holds bottom of cartridge case, right hand holds top of projo. Figure facing slightly to the right, cigarette in mouth.
Provisional list up-date:

41. Soviet sniper, firing scoped Moisin Nagant. Greatcoat and winter hat with ear flaps hanging down. Winter padded trousers and winter boots. Straight handle shovel. Moisin Nagant ammunition pouch, knife and two F1 hand grenades attached to belt. Firing scoped m/91-30 PU sniper rifle.

42. SS NCO priming Geballte Ladung. Winter parka, hood down and reversible winter trousers. Holding and priming Geballte Ladung and Walther P38 in the same way as in the picture. Helmet with chinstrap moved up on the rim, no toque. Felt boots. Winter gloves stuck down parka pockets. Two stick hand grenades tucked in belt. One MP40 ammunition pouch and holster. MP40 hanging in sling on right side back, barrel pointing down.

43. SS Grenadier in winter parka with snow suit jacket, hoods down and reversible winter trousers. Helmet with chinstrap moved up on the rim. Felt boots. Y-strap harness with Kar98 ammunition pouches, breadbag and water bottle. Firing Gewehr 41.
Pose like the third figure from the left on this picture.

44. SS assistant machinegunner, prone. Winter parka, hood down and reversible winter trousers. Finger mittens. Helmet with chinstrap moved up on the rim. Felt boots. Spare barrel container on back. Y-strap harness with Kar98 ammunition pouches, bayonet sheath and water bottle. MG ammunition belt round the neck and down under the belt. Holding Kar98k with bayonet attached. small base.

45. SS Grenadier kneeling, raising his head to observe ahead. Winter parka, hood down and reversible winter trousers. Parka a bit open to ventilate, showing tunic collars. Helmet with chinstrap moved up on the rim. Felt boots. Finger mittens. Y-strap harness with Kar98 ammunition pouches, bayonet, gas maks case and one grenade tucked in. Holding Kar98k.

46. SS sMG34 gunner(/generic guncrew) in winter parka with snow suit jacket, hood down and snow suit trousers. Fur cap on the side (ear flaps up) with toque worn under. Felt boots. Weighed down pockets. Grey wool finger mittens. Belt. P38 holster. Thumb gloves tucked in belt.

47. SS NCO in winter parka, holding camera taking photograph. Side cap, hood down. Snow suit trousers. Felt boots. Belt with P38 holster and map pouch. Camera carrying case hanging down from neck. PPSh41 with drum magazine hanging in a sling along his right side, barrel pointing down. Holding camera taking photo, similar to the picture. Notice the slightly backwards leaning stance.
small base.

48. Tank/Self-propelled gun crewman firing MP40. Winter combi and fleece cap with ear flaps hanging down. Knitted finger mittens. Felt boots. Finger mittens. Firing MP40 (stock folded in), aiming carefully. Belt with with P38 holster and one MP40 magazine tucked in. small base.

49. SS grenadier kneeling firing PPSh41 with drum magazine. Reversible winter jacket and reversible winter trousers. Hood down. Helmet with chin strap on rim. Tunic collar visible. Felt boots. Belt. PPSh41 ammunition pouch, bayonet and two stick hand grenades tucked in belt. Kneeling on left knee, firing PPSh41.

50. SS sharpshooter having a break, eating and drinking. Winter parka with snow suit jacket, hood down. Snow suit trousers. Felt boots. Right arm holding water bottle at chest level, about to drink, left hand straight down holding piece of bread. Head turned to the side as if he is listening to someone talking. Toque around neck. Side cap with patched headwound. Y-strap and belt. Kar98 pouches, bayonet and sniper scope box. Two stick hand grenades tucked in belt. Kar98k with Zf41 scope in sling hanging across back.

51. SS grenadier pulling wounded tank crewman in cover (double figure).

a) SS grenadier in winter parka with snow suit jacket and reversible winter trousers. Hood down. Helmet with toque. Felt boots. Y-strap with Kar98 pouches, bayonet, water bottle and bread bag. Yelling. Kar98k in sling hanging on his right side. Like in picture but hunching a bit more with torso and taking a bigger step.

b) Wounded NCO spg/tank crewman. Winter combi with shoulder boards. Belt. No headgear. Felt boots. Finger mittens. Flaregun handle sticking out of right pocket. Like in the picture. head slightly more up, grinning. Left hand holding on the side of torso. Left leg immobile dragging behind.

52. SS pionier priming 3kg Geballte Ladung charge. Winter parka, hood down and snow suit trousers. Trousers worn outside of boots. Helmet with helmet cover. Toque around neck. Felt boots. Y-strap harness with kar98 ammunition pouches, entrenching tool with bayonet attached to it. Breadbag and water bottle. Kar98k on back. Soviet Tokarew TT33 pistol tucked in belt on right side. Two connected stick hand grenades hanging around neck. Priming 3kg Geballte Ladung charge.

53. Selfpropelled gun/tank crewman. Standing holding binoculars with both hands while simultanesously holding a Luger P08 in right hand. Wearing winter combi and fleece cap with ear flaps up. Polo sweater showing. Fleece cap slightly on the side. Ear phones and throat microphone. Pipe or cigarette in mouth. Combi worn outside of boots. Gloves. Belt with Luger holster. The sling of the binoculars around his neck. small base.

Pose as in picture below with the type of binoculars shown. Holding binoculars a bit higher. Feets standing about one feet apart, bending legs a bit and torso leaning a bit forward as if he is standing peeking up from behind the gunshield.

54. SS grenadier. Parka with snow suit jacket and snow suit trousers. Alternative assistant to the machinegunner firing MG42 from Sdkfz 250/251 (figure 11). Hunkering, holding bipod, letting the MG rest on his right shoulder. Helmet and toque. Boots. Finger mittens. Belt Kar98 ammunition pouches, bayonet and water bottle. Spare barrel case in sling on back. MG ammunition box hanging in sling. Kar98 pouches. Ammunition belt hanging around neck. Kar98k hanging on chest.

55. SS Grenadier advancing while reloading his Kar98k with bayonet attached at the ready. Wearing snow suit jacket and trousers over regular tunic. Hood down. Snow jacket is loose and hanging, front pockets a bit weighed down. Y-strap harness with Kar98 ammunition pouches, bayonet sheath and bread bag. Gasmask case in sling. Two stick hand grenades in belt. Trousers worn outside of boots, also loose. Steel helmet with goggles strapped around, toque around neck. Mouth open. Grey wool finger mittens.

56. SS Grenadier kneeling on right leg, cautiously looking out from behind a corner. Reversible winter jacket and reversible trousers. Steel helmet, strap on the rim. Holding Kar98k with butt against ground. Machinegun belt in bundle in the other hand. Winter boots. Belt with Kar98 ammmunition pouches, bayonet and water bottle. No gloves.

57. SS NCO kneeling on left leg, firing MP40. Wearing snow suit jacket and snow suit trousers over regular tunic. Hood down, wearing reversible winter hood (closed). Snow jacket is loose and hanging, front pockets a bit weighed down. Belt. Trousers worn outside of winter boots. One MP40 ammunition pouch, Luger P08 holster and mess tin. One stick hand grenade tucked in belt. Combat knife attached to snow jacket. Binoculars carried in a carrying case in a sling diagonally over torso. Grey wool finger mittens.
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby wargameroz on Thu Mar 11, 2010 11:38 am

there's a lot more there than what Sgt's mess seem to have for sale at the moment, any idea when they will have them all available
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Re: Group Build No 8 The battle for Kharkov 1942-43

Postby Rammbock on Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:03 pm

Try an email them and ask about it. I am wondering the same thing myself. It's a bit annoying when there are sets you want but they don't have listed. They have had the moulds for quite some time now so I'm not sure why it takes so much time to get all sets available.
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